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This is a very good article. In general, the author of this article is just very good and always brings joy.

Of course, there is a great irony in what people perceive as "progress" and what it actually is.

A society dominated demographically, culturally, and politically by white men with a capitalist economy and a combination of "economically free neoliberal" and "fascist dirigiste" economic policies (and, according to some studies, a right-wing government- https://x.com/UBERSOY1/status/1929663833997824430 ) it would be the most REALLY progressive - the most productive in terms of technological innovation, real economic growth, etc.it's like the USA of the 1920s or 1950s, or maybe Francoist Spain.

But the average person thinks that "progress" is living in a place like South Africa: lots of "coloreds," decolonization, feminism, immigration, homosexuality, lots of women with tattoos and promiscuous sex, high crime rates, and childlessness and divorce.

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Glad to see that the Progress Studies movement is getting some attention with Aporia. As someone who has been researching Progress Studies for 10 years and writing about it for 5 years, I have some knowledge on this topic.

You are absolutely correct in the following:

1) The Progress Studies movement is very concerned about the slowing or stagnation of economic growth since the early 1970s. One thing that I will point out is that the metric you choose really matters as to whether it continued progress, slowing progress, stagnation or decline.

2) The field is absolutely dominated by males. Given the interest in technology, I doubt that will change in the new future. Not many women seem to be interested in the topic, and those that are contribute must less to the research and discussion.

3) There is absolutely a tendency for technophilia, libertarianism and rationalism. I think that you miss the diversity of viewpoints, however. I am a Technorealist, not a technophila, and I wrote why here:

https://frompovertytoprogress.substack.com/p/why-i-am-a-techno-realist

I will point out that the Abundance movement is clearly Center-Left and they are very loosely affiliated with the Progress Studies movement. Many others in the Progress Studies movement appear to be Center-Left as well.

Now to the heart of your argument: I am skeptical of your apparent claim that the cause of slower progress is due to women entering the workforce and the field of ideas in the early 1970s. There are a huge number of cultural, demographic, political, economic and institutional changes that started in the late 1960s and early 1970s. I am skeptical that women entering the workforce was the most consequential.

I believe that far more consequential was the entry of Post-Modern Left-of-Center ideologies into respectability among the college-educated professional class and the gradual expansion of that class over the last 60 years. As Center-Left baby boomers worked their way up the institutional ladder as they aged, they gradually changed the values of the institutions. Then they educated Millenials in their ideology from birth, K-12 and university. Things got really crazy when that generation entered the workforce and got ahold of social media.

These Post-Modern Left-of-Center ideologies were overwhelmingly invented and propagated by men, and more specifically highly educated white men. Having lived through this period, those ideologies were at least as popular among men as women. It is only within the last 10 years that you saw a huge rise in young women supporting Post-Modern Left-of-Center ideologies. Most likely social media played a huge role in this.

So don't blame women for what a small group of men did.

I say more here:

https://frompovertytoprogress.substack.com/p/three-mega-trends-of-the-last-60

I explain more here:

https://frompovertytoprogress.substack.com/p/the-great-realignment-in-american

I think the most important paragraph in this article is “The Great Stagnation began in 1973. Progress Studies wants to undo part of the 1963-73 cultural revolution to end it…. The whole thing’s got to go.”

The last sentence seems to be a critical add-in without really explaining what you mean.

What “whole thing” do you mean? Material Progress + Cultural Revolution has to go. Or the whole Cultural Revolution has to go? And if so, do you really mean going back to Jim Crow segregation?

Very few members of the Progress Studies movement think much about Cultural Revolution, so I disagree that they want "undo part" of it. I am more aware of the cultural destruction that has occurred from the Cultural Revolution, but I would be opposed to rolling back civil rights for blacks and employment for women. I have a hard time seeing how either would contribute to long-term economic growth.

I am willing to debate you, but first I need to know what you actually believe. Do you largely disagree with the article in my first link or disagree?

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