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Peter Frost's avatar

"it is worth keeping in mind that the vast majority of suspects (around 80%) are not black"

Perhaps black ethnicity isn't the relevant factor. Perhaps we should distinguish between two groups:

1) Populations where the state has long exercised a monopoly over the use of violence, i.e., most Europeans, almost all East Asians, most South Asians and certain Middle Eastern groups. In these populations, the state has gradually altered the composition of the gene pool through capital punishment, extrajudicial killings, suppression of rebellions, etc. As a result, the threshold for personal violence is relatively high, and there is strong inhibition against violent behaviour in most social contexts.

2) Populations where the state monopoly on violence is recent and has not influenced the gene pool. All adult males are expected to use violence to defend themselves and their loved ones, and such violence can be pre-emptive or even "for show" (to deter potential assailants).

How does the UK government define "white"? Are there statistics that differentiate between native-born white British and other national groups?

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Aporia's avatar

Good points. Racial categories are based on self-identity. As I recall, crime rates for "Other White" are highly similar to crime rates for "White British".

—NC

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Realist's avatar

"it is worth keeping in mind that the vast majority of suspects (around 80%) are not black"

That is, if you believe the UK crime statistics.

What is important is the crime RATE. In the United States, the black population is 13% but blacks commit 50% or more of the serious crimes. What is the percentage of blacks in the UK?

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Aporia's avatar

That is shown on the chart. They are 4.7% of the population aged 15–40. The crime rate differential is reported in the text. They are 5 times more likely to be homicide suspects than whites.

—NC

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Realist's avatar

"They are 5 times more likely to be homicide suspects than whites."

And that is just blacks. Add in all the other non-whites.

Do you think that is not a serious problem?

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Aporia's avatar

The other non-white groups have homicide rates that are similar to that of whites, as the chart shows.

—NC

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Realist's avatar

You didn't answer my question. Do you think a black homicide rate five times greater than the white homicide rate is a problem?

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Aporia's avatar

To the extent that crime is something you want of, blacks having a very high rate is a problem, yes.

—NC

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Marvin's avatar

> Exactly what explains this overrepresentation [of Blacks] is still a matter of debate. We do know that poverty, IQ and family breakdown can only explain part.

Trying to pin it on intermediary “explanations” such as poverty or family breakdown is just politically correct obfuscation at this point. These are just intermediary steps in a causal chain that begins with genetics. Over hundreds of years, there hasn't been an environment where Blacks haven't been disproportionately criminal, promiscuous, and poor. That rules out environmental causes. That means the disparity is genetic. Where am I wrong? What are the viable environmental explanations left?

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Aporia's avatar

Thanks for the comment. I mentioned that in my article on the black–white homicide gap:

"It is also worth noting that poverty and family breakdown are at least partly downstream of IQ. So the portion of the gap explained by those two variables necessarily overlaps with the portion explained by IQ."

https://www.aporiamagazine.com/p/what-explains-the-blackwhite-homicide

—NC

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Marvin's avatar

That wasn't the point of my post. My point was that you are needlessly drilling down to intermediary causes, which are not really explanatory because they are all downstream of genetics.

Are there any viable environmental explanations left that could explain Black disparities in crime, etc.?

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Aporia's avatar

My statement above is assuming that the IQ gap is largely caused by genes — so it is roughly the same point. However, I think one could make a case that poverty and family breakdown are not entirely downstream of genetics. In any case, I agree with the general thrust of your posts that environmental explanations are not convincing.

—NC

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Marvin's avatar

What possible environmental causes for poverty and family breakdown do you see (that are not two steps down the causal chain from genetics)?

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Aporia's avatar

Various hypotheses exist, such as long-run effects of historical racism on wealth accumulation, or a culture of violence that persists over time. I'm not saying I think these are major causes of poverty and family breakdown. I'm just saying that one could make a case that poverty and family breakdown are not entirely downstream of genetics.

—NC

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Marvin's avatar

Well-known nothing-burger territory that turns vacuous or circular as soon as one tries to translate those slogans into something testable. But thank you for the input.

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Commander Nelson's avatar

I think he is just being less explicit about black crime being genetic than you would like. You have to make some allowances for the fact that he is a facefag and has a job in academia. You can't expect him to just scream "Nigger". It would cause friction at High Table.

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Marvin's avatar

He was canceled in 2019 and hasn't had a job in academia since then AFAIK. He should be able to speak a bit more freely. I suspect he's an all-around nice guy. Being all-around nice guys gets your civilization canceled by proles, as you are well aware, Lord Commander.

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Realist's avatar

"He should be able to speak a bit more freely."

He can either do it or not bring up the subject.

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Marvin's avatar

I feel similarly. However, I remind myself he is not an anon and he already did his part (a greater part than most of us will) and paid the price. He probably doesn’t want to go all in on this and shut himself off from the "polite society" completely or the possibility of returning to academia, perhaps.

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Robin Whittle's avatar

As I wrote at: https://www.aporiamagazine.com/p/pinker-is-wrong-we-should-go-there/comment/165192950 and https://glennloury.substack.com/p/the-health-equity-agenda-is-a-bad/comments, a major, easily correctable, cause of poor health outcomes, including lower IQ, neurological disability / mental illness / ADHD / autism in dark and black skinned people, especially far from the equator, is even lower levels of circulating 25-hydroxyvitamin D than is normal for people with white skin.

This is an environmental problem which is quite distinct from genetics, though the genes for skin pigmentation contribute directly to it in a way which can be avoided with proper vitamin D3 supplementation.

Please see the research cited and discussed at https://vitamindstopscovid.info/00-evi/. Most doctors are not aware that we need 50 ng/mL (125 nmol/L = 1 part in 20,000,000 by mass) circulating 25-hydroxyvitamin D for our immune systems to function properly. The same is likely true for cell types involved in neurodevelopment in utero and all through the lifespan.

25-hydroxyvitamin D calcifediol (AKA "calcidiol") is made, primarily in the liver, by hydroxylating vitamin D3 cholecalciferol which is either made in the skin or ingested. There's very little vitamin D in food, including that which is fortified with vitamin D3 or the less effective vitamin D2, so a "balanced diet", however defined, is no help in attaining the vitamin D3 we need to attain 50 ng/mL circulating 25-hydroxyvitamin D.

Ultraviolet B light with ca. 293 nanometre wavelength can produce good amounts of vitamin D3 in ideally white skin, but this is neither a practical nor a safe way to attain the vitamin D3 we need to be healthy, since: 1) Such UV-B is only available naturally in sufficient quantities from high elevation sunlight without glass, clothing or sunscreen intervening; 2) All UV-B light damages DNA and so kills cells and greatly raises the risk of skin cancer; 3) People with brown or black skin need a great deal more exposure than do people with white skin to produce sufficient vitamin D3.

Fortunately, vitamin D3 supplementation is safe and inexpensive. It need not be taken every day - larger amounts every 7 to 10 days are fine.

Most doctors regard 20 or perhaps 30 ng/mL (50 or 75 nmol/L) circulating 25-hydroxyvitamin D to be sufficient for good health, but this is what the kidneys need to perform their role in regulating calcium-phosphate-bone metabolism: maintaining a very low (0.05 to 0.1 ng/mL) level of 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D (calcitriol) in the bloodstream, where it acts as a hormone - a long distance signaling molecule - to alter the behavior of multiple cell types in bone, the kidneys and the digestive tract. This is the sole hormonal function of these three molecules. Neither vitamin D3 nor 25-hydroxyvitamin D function as hormones - they are not signaling molecules.

Many doctors assume that the immune system depends on this very low level of circulating hormonal calcitriol, but this is not the case. Many types of immune cell, and likely those involved in neurodevelopment, rely on a good supply of 25-hydroxyvitamin D to supply their intracrine (inside each individual cell) and paracrine (to nearby cells, often of different types) signaling systems. These are unrelated to hormonal signaling and to the very low level of circulating calcitriol. These signaling systems are crucial to each cell's ability to respond to its changing circumstances. The immune system does not use hormonal signaling. There is no tutorial explanation of these signaling systems in the peer-reviewed literature. See https://vitamindstopscovid.info/02-intracrine/ for my non-peer-reviewed tutorial.

Most doctors consider the government recommended supplementary intake quantities such as 20 micrograms (800 IU) sufficient for good health.

It is common for people with brown or black skin to have circulating 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels below 10 ng/mL - a fifth of what they need to be healthy. See the graph at https://vitamindstopscovid.info/00-evi/#03-uk-low based on data from Sutherland et al. 2020 https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.clnu.2020.11.019.

In 2022, New Jersey based Professor of Medicine Sunil Wimalawansa published an article with proper vitamin D3 supplementation recommendations, as ratios of body weight, with higher ratios for those suffering from obesity, since obesity reduces the rate of hydroxylation in the liver to 25-hydroxyvitamin D and because the excess adipose tissue absorbs 25-hydroxyvitamin D and vitamin D3: https://vitamindstopscovid.info/00-evi/#obesity- deficit. He later simplified these recommendations somewhat to average daily supplemental intakes of vitamin D3:

70 to 90 IU / kg body weight for those not suffering from obesity (BMI < 30).

100 to 130 IU / kg body weight for obesity I & II (BMI 30 to 39).

140 to 180 IU / kg body weight for obesity III (BMI > 39).

For 70 kg (154 lb) without obesity, this is about 0.125 milligrams (5000 IU) a day. This takes several months to attain the desired > 50 ng/mL circulating 25-hydroxyvitamin D. See: https://vitamindstopscovid.info/00-evi/#00-how-much.

This is 8 or more times what most governments recommend. "5000 IU" sounds like a lot, but it is a gram every 22 years - and pharma grade vitamin D costs about USD$2.50 a gram ex-factory. This will safely attain at least 50 ng/mL 125 nmol/L 25-hydroxyvitamin D over several months, without the need for blood tests or medical monitoring. He repeated these recommendations in an article co-written by two other professors - one of medicine and the other of pediatrics: Integrating Endocrine, Genomic, and Extra-Skeletal Benefits of Vitamin D into National and Regional Clinical Guidelines Sunil J. Wimalawansa, Scott T. Weiss and Bruce W. Hollis, Nutrients 2024-11-20 https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/16/22/3969.

Low 25-hydroxyvitamin D is a huge risk factor for neurodegeneration (Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, multiple system atrophy, dementia with Lewy bodies etc.): https://vitamindstopscovid.info/00-evi/#3.3.

Likewise in pregnancy and early childhood, preeclampsia, pre-term birth, mental retardation, ADHD and autism: https://vitamindstopscovid.info/00-evi/#3.2.

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Marvin's avatar

Blacks in Africa have much more sunlight yet have significantly lower measured IQs than those in the US (or elsewhere in the West). How does that fit with your theory?

How many IQ points would sufficient vitamin D levels add to Blacks in the US?

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Robin Whittle's avatar

I wasn't suggesting that the lower average IQ - or whatever measure of competence at doing things which are important to survival, at least in Western civilisations - of Africans vs. Europeans / Ashkenazi Jews, Chinese, Korean and Japanese people was not primarily due to genetics.

Just that a non-trivial fraction of the overall average deficits dark skinned people have in countries far from the equator have with health, cognition (for many Western productive and compatibility with others purposes) etc. is due to having even lower 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels than whites in those countries.

I have no data go go on, but I guess that if European people in the UK all attained 50 ng/mL circulating 25-hydroxyvitamin D, from in-utero (and so their moms' levels) through all of life, that their average IQ would be boosted by 2 to 4 points. They would also be very much healthier and happier in all respects. For Africans in Africa, I guess about the same - they now get a lot less sun than their ancestors thanks to clothing, buildings and vehicles.

For dark skinned people living in countries with latitudes like the UK's, I guess the improvement would be 4 to 6 points, and that other health disparities with respect to the local whites would be greatly diminished, except for any which are due to culturally determined factors such as diet.

Today's white folks via Northern Europe, and East Asians via Mongolia (as best I understand human evolution and geographical spread) inherit the genes of their ancestors, who only survived because of the ability to cooperate in order to survive harsh winters. Ancestral communities and later governments would have needed fighting men but would have killed the most unruly men and so bred these lines of humanity to be much tamer than their African ancestors, where there was no winter survival pressure and there was an ever-present need to fight (or at least scare off) attacking men arriving at any time of day or night across the plains.

So now the best races of of people to design, make computers, electronic musical instruments etc. are from these populations whose ancestral genetics were profoundly altered by millenia of northern European winters and sophisticated civilisations. All that stuff registers positively on IQ tests.

But if you want lively, self-expressive, vibrant, at times riotously creative people to *play* these instruments, who you gonna call? Not the Finns or the Japanese. Sub-Saharan Africans are running rings around the best efforts of white folk for making lively dance music. Listen to https://bounceradiolive.com in Lekki, a new outer suburb of Lagos, such as the first hour or two of Blossom's Saturday Afternoon show 1PM to 5PM (2PM to 6PM UTC/GMT). These Africans use all the latest hardware and software in musical romps us Whiteys could not even dream of if we hadn't heard these Africans do it first. (More generally, listen to the music on countless African radio stations via https://radio.garden and compare it to the subset fo music from Western and East Asian countries which has not been profoundly influenced by Africans.)

Except for really buttoned-down musical forms, such as Western classical music, peak (and I guess average) sub-Saharan African musical aptitude and drive towers over that of peoples whose genes are the result of thousands of years of more constrained civilisation: https://www.pictorem.com/106761/perfect-garden/.

IQ tests don't measure every desirable attribute of humanity. They don't a person's capacity and developed skills for music, dance, spontaneity and boldness of self-expression.

While I am rambling . . . who needs enemies outside Western countries when the worst enemies are within: those whose intellectual pursuit of destructive feminist (beyond basic rights and representation), post-structuralist, woke, tribally pseudo-Left, progressive, political and social policies have brought our countries to the brink of ruin, not least with their destructive DEI, immigration and COVID-19 pandemic policies? As far as I know, few, if any, people of African descent were involved in the deliberate creation of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and the subsequent cover-up.

Inappropriate immigration of people who are genetically and culturally (especially religiously and so politically) generally incompatible with complex Western societies can destroy our societies forever. Low average IQ is probably a major direct cause of this. But I think that at least some of these people and cultures, who we can't handle in our midst en-masse, have immeasurably enriched Westerners' lives.

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Marvin's avatar

So, if I get this right, the plus 2 to 4 or plus 4 to 6 for Black IQ in northern climates are your guesses (“we have no data to go on”).

Yes, Blacks are more extraverted and spontaneous, etc. There are no truly objective criteria for determining which traits are good or bad. Each person has their own subjective criteria. You can take a poll and calculate an average, which is kind of what democracies do. I personally like the civilization Western Europeans create (minus the leftist pathology). And now we are pretty much certain that different peoples create different cultures and civilizations, and that “culture transfer” in a civilizational sense is quite limited (you cannot make Afghanistan a liberal democracy).

I think people should be objectively informed about the realities of human races (or populations, if you will), their biological basis, and their behavioral and cultural correlates. If that happened, polls in Western countries would likely favor leaving Africans in Africa and Afghans in Afghanistan. We’d have some of them visit, and perhaps a small percentage would live here, but that’s it. The left-progressive pathology is mostly the result of 80+ years of brainwashing and propaganda.

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Robin Whittle's avatar

I agree,

The numbers are my guesses. I have no formal qualifications in any field. I work in computer programming and with electronic musical instruments.

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Marvin's avatar

And also, have you read this piece? https://www.cremieux.xyz/p/nutrition-beliefs-are-just-so-stories

Didn't it shift your stance on your Vitamin D hypothesis?

EDIT: And perhaps more generally, this: https://www.cremieux.xyz/p/a-requiem-for-nutrition

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Robin Whittle's avatar

My impression of Cremieux is that he fancies himself as a contrarian's contrarian. I guess he holds himself in such high esteem that he thinks some of his readers will be impressed by his claim to spend only a short, strictly limited, time writing each Substack article. Still, he posts some interesting stuff.

If you want to evaluate the veracity of my claim (also made by any other people including professors of medicine) that the immune system and multiple other crucial parts of the body can only function properly with at least ~50 ng/mL circulating 25-hydroxyvitamin D, I suggest you not waste time trying to divine the truth by scrutinising Cremieux's tea leaves and instead spend a few hours reading the research for yourself, such as the articles cited and discussed at: https://vitamindstopscovid.info/00-evi/.

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Marvin's avatar

I'm not sure whether the timer is apologetics for lack of density (and sometimes sloppy phrasing) of his texts or boasting about speed, or both. Still, he makes some interesting points and he's very productive.

Don't have to convince me about vit.D, I have been popping those pills for a couple of decades :)

Although Cremieux's inputs did sow some doubts.

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Luke Lea's avatar

Rather than asking why blacks are more violent, a better question might be what explains the relatively low rates of violence among Europeans, Asians, etc. One explanation I've read (Steve Pinker maybe?) is that the more violent types were weeded out via capital punishment over the course of countless generations. In other words, how long your ancestors lived in "civilized" societies might be the deciding factor.

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Realist's avatar

Noah, this is not the first time you have broached this subject. But you only discuss murder. How about rape, pedophilia, physical attack, robbery, or other crimes? Additionally, why would you trust the statistics of a corrupt government? Furthermore, what difference does it make which incompatible ethnic group or race is committing a crime? The point is that the UK is being overrun by groups that are not native to the UK.

Many areas in the UK are shitholes, thanks to one or more of the following: Indians, Hindus, Muslims, Arabs, or any of a myriad of other incompatible cultures.

Here are a couple of PJW videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apmo8zeFCTM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M80bpOjZ4aM

There are plenty more on Paul Joseph Watson's YouTube channel. You should visit it.

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Aporia's avatar

Thanks for the comment. There is no convincing evidence the picture is substantially different for other crimes. You can oppose mass immigration while still being honest with the data. Indians and Chinese commit crime at lower rates than White British. Does that mean you have to be in favour of immigration of those groups? Obviously not.

—NC

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Realist's avatar

The problem is that your articles appear to make excuses by narrowing the subject to one specific crime. You did not address my comment about the stupid, corrupt government in the UK, nor did you address my comment about areas in the UK that are shitholes.

"You can oppose mass immigration while still being honest about the data."

Do you oppose mass immigration?

Here is another article about crime in the UK. It does not state how many of the 53,000 stabbings per year were perpetrated by non-whites, but they have increased 81% over the last decade. Either it's due to mass immigration of non-whites or the UK populace has gone mad.

https://connect.xfinity.com/appsuite/#!!&app=io.ox/mail&folder=default0/INBOX

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Aporia's avatar

"The problem is that your articles appear to make excuses by narrowing the subject to one specific crime."

My previous articles on Muslim crime have dealt with crimes other than murder:

https://www.aporiamagazine.com/p/british-muslims-dont-commit-a-lot

https://www.aporiamagazine.com/p/more-on-british-muslims-and-crime

"You did not address my comment about the stupid, corrupt government in the UK".

If we cannot trust government statistics, then we have no idea what the crime rates for different groups are. As a matter of fact, the figures I posted above are largely consistent with figures for the US. We also know that data from hospitals are consistent with data from the Crimes Survey of England and Wales:

https://www.aporiamagazine.com/p/why-has-violent-crime-declined-in

"Do you oppose mass immigration?"

Yes.

"Here is another article about crime in the UK."

I was unable to open the link. However, I have examined the supposed knife crime epidemic in a piece for UnHerd:

https://unherd.com/newsroom/is-there-a-knife-crime-epidemic-in-britain/

—NC

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Realist's avatar

"If we cannot trust government statistics, then we have no idea what the crime rates for different groups are."

Exactly! However, the fact is that the UK has been in free fall for years.

"As a matter of fact, the figures I posted above are largely consistent with figures for the US."

You are using US government figures as a standard? The US government is the most lying, corrupt government in the developed world. The only reason the UK may not be as corrupt is that the UK and the rest of Europe are subservient to the US.

You seem to have permanent rose-colored glasses.

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Aporia's avatar

"You are using US government figures as a standard?"

Crime figures published by the US government are highly consistent with those from victimisation surveys — as a report by Jared Taylor's organisation shows. This is how we know, for example, that police aren't biased against blacks.

https://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/2016-The-Color-of-Crime.pdf

—NC

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Realist's avatar

"This is how we know, for example, that police aren't biased against blacks."

Hell no, the police are not biased against blacks...they are biased against whites.

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Realist's avatar

Noah,

There are many examples of horribly deleterious events in Europe due to the immigration of anything other than carefully screened white people. Germany, France, the UK, the Netherlands, and Denmark face similar challenges under the current immigration policy.

There is no upside to diverse immigration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ3PS-IvSvE

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Aporia's avatar

I am opposed to mass immigration, and would be in favour of an immigration system that preserved demographic stability. However, suggesting that "deleterious events" follow from "anything other than carefully screened white people" is not correct. For example, East Asians commit less crime than white people in almost every country with available data.

—NC

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Realist's avatar

"However, suggesting that "deleterious events" follow from "anything other than carefully screened white people" is not correct. For example, East Asians commit less crime than white people in almost every country with available data."

Who cares? Crime is only one form of deleterious events .What is the upside of allowing East Asians to immigrate to the UK? Why is it so hard for you to see that if white people are displaced, the UK will no longer exist? Cultural disproportion is destroying the UK.

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Aporia's avatar

To be clear, I'm not in favour of mass immigration of East Asians into the UK. But there are certainly upsides that one could point to (e.g., lower crime, higher average IQ).

—NC

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Realist's avatar

One further comment. While you and I agree that intelligence is a very important trait, there are two other essential traits that Brits, as well as whites in general, are often characterized by, and those are innovation and inquisitiveness. I would say that whites stand above others in these traits.

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Realist's avatar

"But there are certainly upsides that one could point to (e.g., lower crime, higher average IQ)."

That is true. But if enough East Asians immigrate to the UK to noticeably increase IQ and reduce crime, your country is no longer the UK. I would not consider that an upside!

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Commander Nelson's avatar

Regarding the public discussion focusing on Islam, there may be money flowing into politics from Jewish sources that encourages people to focus on Islam as the threat. Nick Griffin has reported in 2007 being offered money to do this. Based on his current focus, I would estimate that he has decided since then to take that money. There are multitudes of Hasbara accounts on Substack focusing on British politics that take a very pro-Israel, anti-Islam line.

https://x.com/NickJFuentes/status/1819926526810345507

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Realist's avatar

Here is another YouTube video on the recent UK stabbing. Granted, it runs at least 35 minutes longer than necessary, but this is indicative of the news media in cahoots with the corrupt UK government. There are numerous examples of corruption within the UK government.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKKUy0lrnQQ

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