It's worth noting that for people who say their ancestors come from European countries like Russia, Lithuania, or Romania, a large portion will be Jewish. I don't know the exact numbers, but I recall seeing that something like half of immigrants from Russia to the US have been Jewish. I think this could give a better understanding of the political trends.
Fascinating piece of research. What stands out for me is the bizarre contrast between English/Scottish-origin Americans and English/Scottish-origin native English-and-Scots. In a UK election, - not just a Donald Trump but even a Ron DeSantis or a Nicki Haley would struggle to get above 10% of the vote. That's how much conservatism has been killed off in 'The Old Country'!
Yes, it is interesting research. But rather academic, since those who control the United States and, therefore, subsequently, Western Europe are not chosen by the electoral process.
I think part of that problem is that ‘conservatism’ and ‘liberalism’ are culturally mediated. And English Conservative is a different beast to the American one. Same with the Australian one. And by the way, ‘conservative’ I would argue is more of a disposition than a political programme necessarily of something like the republican party. Every successful revolutionary becomes a conservative to maintain their new found power.
"more of a disposition than a political programme"....Yes. In fact I think of a conservative as someone a bit wary of political programmes. In my use of the term it does not mean Republican....and it certainly does not mean the British Tory Party. A disposition is a good way of putting it but if one needs to hang a political theory on to it, it would be Edmund Burke or in more modern times Michael Oakshott perhaps...and TS Eliot.
As stated by others here, the Eastern European pool of immigrants in the United States heavily skews Jewish, so that may influence the Eastern European political attitude. Also, I could see self-ID skewing the results. More liberal respondents of mixed European ancestry are probably more likely to identify with more exotic or ostensibly marginal European ethnic groups. Meanwhile, Conservatives are less likely. How many of those Irish and Italian respondents have an Anglo, German, or Scottish grandparent? Probably a great deal
Northern Europeans are a the founding stock and have been around the longest. Those from Eastern and Southern Euorope came later and largely stayed concentrated in the large Northeastern cities. Chinese are the most conservative Asians because they've around the longest (since the mid XIXth Century) while Indians are recent arrivals. In short the more Americanised a group is, the more likely they are to vote Republican.
Not sure that follows. It could be that, eg. Indian-Americans or Chinese-Americans are more likely to consider themselves as primarily American, while black Americans are more likely to consider themselves as primarily black, even as the music of black Americans sells well as a sort of “foreign” cultural import among mainstream Americans.
Scotts Irish and Catholics have typically been swing votes. Appalachia swung hard from bill clinton to Donald Trump. Catholic whites were swing voters moving more towards reps in the last decade, but they are located in many areas swamped by browns. In the 90s they could elect guiliani, but no longer have the numbers. Something literally talked about in west side story.
Puritans suspect that at some point browns will give them permanent majority without needing other whites.
Unfortunately many are Russia-hating neocons and embrace destructive Republican economic policies which work against the interests of our native-born white working classes.
From the article: “Within the ex-Soviet émigré community, between 60 and 70 percent were expected to vote Republican.... in 2004, 77% of Russian-speaking Jews in New York voted for George W. Bush because of his perceived connection to Ronald Reagan and his positions on terrorism and taxes. They also favored John McCain in 2009, giving him 65% of the vote, as well as Mitt Romney in 2012.”
Is interesting to note that while Spaniards are slightly inclined toward GOP Spain have a left-wing government in contrast India have a more right-wing government despite have more inclinations to Dem, what do you think of the theory that Islamists vote progressives in order to bring more of them and push the country towards an islamic government ?
I’m curious to know whether conservative here includes both social and economic views or just social views because African Americans are extremely loyal Democrats but they also tend to be much more hostile to gay marriage and embrace traditional gender roles more than the average American person.
I wonder if it has just as much to do with WHEN an ancestor came to the USA as where the ancestor came from. My guess is that descendants of ancestors who came from Europe in 19th century are substantially more conservative than immigrants from those same countries in the 21st century.
Why do you say that belief in hard work explains the variance in western origin groups and not all groups despite the fact that all the values pass the threshold for 5% significance? Is there something that I missed?
It's worth noting that for people who say their ancestors come from European countries like Russia, Lithuania, or Romania, a large portion will be Jewish. I don't know the exact numbers, but I recall seeing that something like half of immigrants from Russia to the US have been Jewish. I think this could give a better understanding of the political trends.
yeah. you can pull it out of the GSS. it's mostly jews for lithuanians
Fascinating piece of research. What stands out for me is the bizarre contrast between English/Scottish-origin Americans and English/Scottish-origin native English-and-Scots. In a UK election, - not just a Donald Trump but even a Ron DeSantis or a Nicki Haley would struggle to get above 10% of the vote. That's how much conservatism has been killed off in 'The Old Country'!
Yes, it is interesting research. But rather academic, since those who control the United States and, therefore, subsequently, Western Europe are not chosen by the electoral process.
I think part of that problem is that ‘conservatism’ and ‘liberalism’ are culturally mediated. And English Conservative is a different beast to the American one. Same with the Australian one. And by the way, ‘conservative’ I would argue is more of a disposition than a political programme necessarily of something like the republican party. Every successful revolutionary becomes a conservative to maintain their new found power.
"more of a disposition than a political programme"....Yes. In fact I think of a conservative as someone a bit wary of political programmes. In my use of the term it does not mean Republican....and it certainly does not mean the British Tory Party. A disposition is a good way of putting it but if one needs to hang a political theory on to it, it would be Edmund Burke or in more modern times Michael Oakshott perhaps...and TS Eliot.
As stated by others here, the Eastern European pool of immigrants in the United States heavily skews Jewish, so that may influence the Eastern European political attitude. Also, I could see self-ID skewing the results. More liberal respondents of mixed European ancestry are probably more likely to identify with more exotic or ostensibly marginal European ethnic groups. Meanwhile, Conservatives are less likely. How many of those Irish and Italian respondents have an Anglo, German, or Scottish grandparent? Probably a great deal
Northern Europeans are a the founding stock and have been around the longest. Those from Eastern and Southern Euorope came later and largely stayed concentrated in the large Northeastern cities. Chinese are the most conservative Asians because they've around the longest (since the mid XIXth Century) while Indians are recent arrivals. In short the more Americanised a group is, the more likely they are to vote Republican.
Except blacks and American Indians.
True but in the case of those two groups you could argue they're not really part of the mainstream and so remain outside the American ethnos.
That was true before 1920 but not today. Just listen to the music in any shopping center or public place.
Not sure that follows. It could be that, eg. Indian-Americans or Chinese-Americans are more likely to consider themselves as primarily American, while black Americans are more likely to consider themselves as primarily black, even as the music of black Americans sells well as a sort of “foreign” cultural import among mainstream Americans.
Kind of like how you can be reasonably certain that houses with American flags on them belong to Republicans, maybe.
Irish and Italians are northeast and made less relevant by immigration, but Germans and in upper Midwest still decide most elections.
Some sub-groups of british americans are less right-wing. For example Episcopalians
are %49 democrat and %39 republican.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/religious-denomination/episcopal-church/party-affiliation/
Original:
New England Puritans
Mid Atlantic quakers
Scott’s Irish Appalachians
Cavaliers
Second wave:
Catholics and 48ers
Third wave:
Browns, post Jim Crow blacks
Scotts Irish and Catholics have typically been swing votes. Appalachia swung hard from bill clinton to Donald Trump. Catholic whites were swing voters moving more towards reps in the last decade, but they are located in many areas swamped by browns. In the 90s they could elect guiliani, but no longer have the numbers. Something literally talked about in west side story.
Puritans suspect that at some point browns will give them permanent majority without needing other whites.
Puritans were the ones who voted against FDR. It’s the northeastern Jews who replaced the Yankees who are trying to use browns to control whites
How do you separate Russians from Russian Jews?
Most ethnic Russians I know in the US are conservative. Most Russian Jews are liberal.
Actually, Jewish immigrants from the FSU tend to be Republican/conservative, due in large measure to their direct experience with state socialism. See https://www.timesofisrael.com/when-it-comes-to-supporting-the-us-president-fsu-jews-say-israel-trumps-all/amp/ for example.
Unfortunately many are Russia-hating neocons and embrace destructive Republican economic policies which work against the interests of our native-born white working classes.
Not really. It's a 60-40 split. The liberal side prevails.
From the article: “Within the ex-Soviet émigré community, between 60 and 70 percent were expected to vote Republican.... in 2004, 77% of Russian-speaking Jews in New York voted for George W. Bush because of his perceived connection to Ronald Reagan and his positions on terrorism and taxes. They also favored John McCain in 2009, giving him 65% of the vote, as well as Mitt Romney in 2012.”
Is interesting to note that while Spaniards are slightly inclined toward GOP Spain have a left-wing government in contrast India have a more right-wing government despite have more inclinations to Dem, what do you think of the theory that Islamists vote progressives in order to bring more of them and push the country towards an islamic government ?
I’m curious to know whether conservative here includes both social and economic views or just social views because African Americans are extremely loyal Democrats but they also tend to be much more hostile to gay marriage and embrace traditional gender roles more than the average American person.
I wonder if it has just as much to do with WHEN an ancestor came to the USA as where the ancestor came from. My guess is that descendants of ancestors who came from Europe in 19th century are substantially more conservative than immigrants from those same countries in the 21st century.
Why do you say that belief in hard work explains the variance in western origin groups and not all groups despite the fact that all the values pass the threshold for 5% significance? Is there something that I missed?