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"I have often argued that urban density is a problem for fertility."

Not to mention sanity. I fail to see an advantage to living in a mega-city. They no longer produce anything of use for the country as a whole. The economics consists of financial products and the service industry. If mega-cities disappeared overnight, the rest of the country would have little notice.

"Caplan then retorted that the very low fertility of urban cores is really due to high housing prices and if you could just build even more high-rise apartments, they would become cheap, and fertility would recover."

I reply that only an idiot would want to live in a place like that.

"Both areas are politically liberal, highly educated and have incomes well above the national average."

The term 'highly educated' is so nebulous. What is left unanswered is educated in what?

Furthermore, they have incomes well above the national average only because the cost of living is well above the national average, which means no advantage.

"A high rate of marriage was central to the Baby Boom but so was suburban living. Those two pillars together supported the rise in fertility in the US, as well as many other countries."

Excellent point.

Now, my reply to the rebuttal:

"Did developers wake up one day and just decide to build apartments that aren’t family friendly? No, they are responding to demand."

No, they are responding to more profit.

"Note that in terms of square feet, US homes are actually larger now than they were in the early 20th century, when fertility was higher."

Homes, yes; apartments, not at all. Many newer NYC apartments have been declining in size for many years.

"And it so happens that the sorts of people who are more affected (liberals, atheists, career women) prefer living in dense urban centres."

There you go again with the degradation of atheists. Why the hell would atheists prefer dense urban centers? And why would they shun children?

And, as always, quality over quantity.

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People in cities also often only live there temporarily, moving to the suburbs to have kids. So the low fertility of urban areas is not just inflated by the type of people who choose to live there, but also by “fertility drain” of urban residents

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