I appreciate this dialogue, for me it boils down to something very simple that I think anyone can understand, if blacks, Asians, jews, muslims etc. are allowed, even encouraged, to celebrate and spread their culture, Whites should be able to do the same without being criticized and denigrated, which they are, as soon as groups of White people start to organize they are called racists and all kinds of other names, for me its as simple as that
Why is that though? Having now lived in a multicultural society for some time I know many non-white groups feel lesser than us. Obvious caveat - this is their view, not mine.
They moved here. We didn't move there. That alone tells you the direction of travel. We built something they desire. They've never built anything we want.
I have talked to Indians, West Indians and others. I get it less from East Asians, but I know the South Asians understand their own cultural practices doom them to mediocrity. The family pressures alone keep them apart. I have had fairly blunt conversations with them. The real insight is they view themselves as economic migrants, not emigrants who wish to embrace a new culture.
The incontrovertible truth is there has been a campaign put on to demonize White Christian culture starting as far as I can tell in the 50s, the reasons for this are still a question yet to be answered. If you want my opinion it is because there has been a concerted effort to subvert the will of the people in the interests of corporate hegemony over our lives, its not just the communism vs capitalism argument, although that is certainly a part. it more has to do with control to subjugate the many for the good of the few. The reality is in its natural state the way White culture is set up it is at odds with centralized control by design. This culture was developed through many iterations over the years to ultimately end up with the United States Constitution. The idea that the individual is the most imporatant part of society and through individual health and wealth the whole society prospers. This fundamental idea is at odds with the interests of people whos main purpose is to increase profits by any means. Its current iteration being stakeholder capitalism, which is a perverted form of capitalism that subverts the peoples will. I guess boiled down, it comes down to the hyper wealthy that practice stake holder capitalism, which I call the "parasite class" cannot control a free and fair White European Christian culture because by definition our culture promotes individuality, so they have put on a campaign to strangle and destroy that culture for their own gains. One only has to look at the machinations of the World Economic Forum and other NGOs to see that there is an active war against people being free to determine their own fate, and I dont mean just in America this is happening all over the world. If you are interested I would suggest you check out two new alliances forming one being The Arc Initiative and the other being Our Country Our Choice. Dont believe anything the corporate media is telling you and look with suspicion at anything the government says or does. It will get worse before it gets better, but have optimism because the people are waking up and its gone far enough that they have no way of stopping us. The people will take back control of our government and the world will be a better place for it. The time of corporate hegemony in our government is over
I agree with every word. And it has also been my view for a long time. The two countries most targeted for uncontrolled immigration are the US and the UK. The reason is as you mentioned, the basis for the US. It was built on individual sovereignty. But it was also meant to be a collection of independent states, the literal antithesis of central control.
Its origins are Britain, which has the longest history of individual rights. Magna Carta being the obvious reference point.
That spirit is in us all, especially Northern European. We are the threat. And immigration is there to sink us. Other ethnic groups are indifferent to things like the constitution, the bill of rights or Magna Carta. Some are actively hostile. Muslims do not tolerate any form of parliamentary democracy for instance.
I have nothing against different groups, but I believe the globalists have weaponized miss migration to prevent us being able to stop their plans.
Judeo-messianism has been spreading its poisonous message among us for nearly two thousand years. Democratic and communist universalisms are more recent, but they have only come to reinforce the old Jewish narrative. They are the same ideals.
The transnational, transracial, transsexual, transcultural ideals that these ideologies preach to us (beyond peoples, races, cultures) and which are the daily sustenance of our schools, in our media, in our popular culture, at our universities, and on our streets, have ended up reducing our biosymbolic identity and ethnic pride to their minimal expression.
Jewish bankers flooded Europe with Muslims and America with third-world garbage . . . Exile as punishment for those who preach sedition should be reinstated within the legal framework of the West . . .
Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are death cults originating in the Middle East and totally alien to Europe and its peoples . . . We National Socialists came to liberate Paris, we did not destroy it.
One sometimes wonders why the European left gets along so well with Muslims. Why does an often overtly anti-religious movement take the side of a fierce religiosity that seems to oppose almost everything the left has always claimed to stand for? Part of the explanation lies in the fact that Islam and Marxism have a common ideological root: Judaism.
Don Rumsfeld was right when he said, "Europe has shifted on its axis," it was the wrong side that won World War II, and it is becoming clearer every day. What has NATO done to defend Europe? Absolutely nothing . . . My enemies are not in Moscow, Damascus, Tehran, Riyadh or some ethereal Teutonic boogeyman, my enemies are in Washington, Brussels and Tel Aviv.
Tribalism, pressure from family to help family members, ingroup hiring preferences based on race/culture, multi-generational households, different views on gender, illiberalism etc. Basic cultural differences. Some specifically reject assimilation and hold themselves apart making harmony challenging.
❝. . . the entire establishment in the Western world is attacking Russia in unison. The propaganda machine is in full swing in an effort to make the whole world hate Putin and take Ukraine’s side in the war. The same propaganda machine that wants nothing more than you as a White person to stop having children and instead focus on your career, race-mix or become homosexual. What this establishment wants you to think is often a very good indicator of what you should absolutely not think, and by this measure, Russia appears to be the side to support 100%.
From a global geopolitical perspective, if we theorize from the unlikely idea that this conflict will lead to a third world war, then all pro-Zionist liberal monster-nations like Great Britain, France, Germany, the United States and, of course, Israel itself would side with Ukraine, while more traditional and sovereign anti-Zionist forces would likely stand behind Russia. Mark my words when I say that the Nordic Resistance Movement will NEVER stand on the same side as Israel or the Zionist entity that the USA represents today – whatever the issue or conflict may be!
If we look at the situation from a revolutionary point of view, it is also natural to support Russia. By challenging the USA and the Western world, one acts against the status quo – the present situation that must be destroyed in order for any true changes to take place, and for us National Socialists to be able to make real progress. The more the current ruling powers are challenged, and the harder the world economy is combated, the greater the chance for widespread disruption, which is a necessity for the Nordic revolution to become fact. Please note that I do not mean the coming changes will necessarily be better for us; however, in the dramatic situation in which we find ourselves, we must see hope in every potential radical change that arises within the global environment.❞
Thanks for another 'conversation' between what I call a Utopist and a Realist. Could you guess which one I side with?
"CLEANTHES: I agree with you that races are slightly different from each other and that they probably create slightly different cultures."
The adverb 'slightly' tells of one with no basis in reality.
"CLEANTHES: Yes, with some minor qualifications, I think that’s a fair assessment. Especially among educated elites in the media and at universities."
Sadly, this is an attempt to conflate education with a college degree. Indoctrination would be an excellent substitute for education, at least in most non-STEM degrees.
Well done. Although, I'd abandon the demureness and embrace an assertive tone instead. After all, truth is on your side. Just because some negative consequences are likely to arise, doesn’t mean you're directly responsible. Accepting tradeoffs as embedded in reality is the mature and sensible position. Otherwise, as liberalism continues its wake of destruction, you’re left with nothing more than a defeatist/fatalistic response such as:
“Oh well, nothing can be done. The alternatives are probably worse. Alas, the consequences are what they are. At least my intentions are good!”
Now ask yourself, “But, for how long can I hold to this position?
NATO – an anti-white and anti-family institution . . .
After the apocalypse of 1945, a number of global organizations have been formed with the aim of maintaining and expanding totalitarian liberalism. One of the earliest organizations formed for this purpose was the war alliance "North Atlantic Treaty Organization", or NATO, which can be seen as the military wing of globalism.
In addition to ensuring that Washington always has international support for its military campaigns, NATO as an institution is explicitly anti-white and explicitly dedicated to "racial justice" for racial aliens living in white countries. As early as 1999, NATO authored reports blaming nationalists for a number of modern problems and warning against the influence of nationalism.
In 2023, the war alliance held a summit at its headquarters in Brussels on race where the alliance's leaders pledged to fight "homogeneous attitudes" and to use NATO's "collective intelligence" for the purpose.
In fact, NATO is so dedicated to its anti-white agenda that it openly advocates that institutions must be reshaped to be "inclusive," in other words, restructured to be more anti-white, and consist of fewer white employees and executives.
I think a white (or ethnic) identity is natural and healthy. The only caution imo is to not dehumanise/be unreasonable about the out groups (including individuals within them). Also a society is imo only as impressive as its culture/people (e.g. virtues, competencies, etc).
“The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength with the mass of numbers and their dead weight. Thus, it denies personal worth, contests the significance of folk and race, and thereby withdraws from mankind premise for its existence and culture.” — Mein Kampf
The fact that a tag like "White Identity" even exists gives the measure of how completely (and poisonously) Western civilisation's enemies (and I mean enemies WITHIN not external enemies) have gained control of the language of debate. Even as conservatives fight back against these enemies, they are coralled into adopting a language (and frame of reference) foisted on them by the hyper-progressive Left. Think of all the bogus 'x-ism and 'x-phobia words that have now unquestioningly been adopted in conservative discourse....and weep for our civilisation. End of rant. https://grahamcunningham.substack.com/p/are-we-making-progress
Jewish Loot and Neglected Fruit: How the Mainstream Right Serves Jews and Betrays Whites . . .
❝“Low-hanging fruit!” cry deluded right-wingers all over the West. “Why doesn’t my favored party on the mainstream right pluck that fruit and defeat the left?” Well, they’ve been crying that for decades and will still be crying it when the left pack them off to a slave-labor camp or an organic gas-chamber. Some of those right-wingers are too stupid to see the truth; some are too frightened to admit it. Their favored party on the mainstream right doesn’t pluck the low-hanging fruit because it doesn’t want to defeat the left. And it doesn’t want to defeat the left because it is the left. That is, it’s financed and controlled by Jews who support the left and its anti-White, anti-Christian, anti-Western agenda.❞
Why do you refer to it as white identity, rather than European identity? White seems like a superficial label based on skin colour, whereas European refers to the people who emerged in Europe and who gave the world modern civilisation.
"White civilization is the civilization that white people created, namely, Western Civilization. Of course, Western Civilization is not exclusively white. But it is still majority white, and it was once overwhelmingly white. Progressives perceive this, which is why they often rail against the “whiteness” of the West. They abominate it precisely because it is too white."
The West is not white. It is not black. It is not Asian. It is open to everybody. It is a set of ideas. And those should be cherished and protected from the parochial notion that they are the property of one race or people.
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Wrong, Cleanthes. The West is white. The non-white bit has been imported. Some will assist in the maintenance and even the evolution of our European cultures. Most will not. We already see this. Significant numbers will need to be carried by the rest. We also see this phenomenon too.
They, the non-whites, all refer to us as Westerners. And by that they mean white people. The Chinese and Japanese, the Africans, the Arabs, the Indians. It is only us who hesitate. They have no qualms.
If we do not assert ourselves we allow the liberals to convince everyone of the magic dirt theory. That if someone is born in the US or the UK it makes them the same as our ancestors. If that is the case then why don't Indians think of Rudyard Kipling as being Indian? He was born in Bombay and spoke Punjabi like a native. Why would Saudis not consider a child of white parents born in one of their hospitals a Saudi or an Arab? Only Western liberals think like this. And it is precisely this group who are destroying us.
All I'd add is the usual caveats. No person or group is inferior, just different.
It is probably worth reminding us no multi-ethnic, multicultural society has ever survived. This is life on hard mode. A cosmic justice campaign about 90 percent of the world's population views as suicide.
“ All I'd add is the usual caveats. No person or group is inferior, just different.”
Depends on your definition of inferior.
Races do exist and those races exist “precisely” because of genetic *differences*. Talking about differences among people, as in individuals, is often problematic because individuals—as individuals—vary among themselves and therefore “others”. For example, a typical Japanese (typical as in taken as a group) is shorter than a typical American, but you’d have no problem walking the streets of Tokyo and finding a Japanese person taller than yourself I’d wager.
However, we as a society do not usually make public policy based upon any particular individual, but upon groups and averages of individuals classified as a group. We find in our great multicultural experiment called the American Idea, that the races/minorities we’ve encouraged to enter are by no means similar in any number of ways—and indeed, one may compare groups (races) along any number of these ways.
One obvious difference is intelligence, but there are innate behavioral proclivities as well. In a 1st world, technological society many of these differences become important to the economic success of the particular minority group. Groups higher in that ability disposed to success, will prosper over the other groups.
So is one group “inferior” to another? Well, yes, obviously. One of Japanese ancestry is inferior to most other races in producing NBA sportsball players. However, Asian ancestry seems to have a definite positive effect on educational attainment and future economic success in this country—if the Census data is correct.
Being racist is quite a bit different than being a “race realist”. Whites need not be afraid of showing racial solidarity. If you let your opponents defined the terminology of the argument, then you will lose every time.
Quite agree. But as you are aware race realism is classified as racism, despite all those West African sprinters and athletes we reward handsomely. Jared Taylor is banned from polite society precisely because of this.
I am of the view whites are just joining everyone else in the world who quite naturally gravitate towards their own.
❝. . . the entire establishment in the Western world is attacking Russia in unison. The propaganda machine is in full swing in an effort to make the whole world hate Putin and take Ukraine’s side in the war. The same propaganda machine that wants nothing more than you as a White person to stop having children and instead focus on your career, race-mix or become homosexual. What this establishment wants you to think is often a very good indicator of what you should absolutely not think, and by this measure, Russia appears to be the side to support 100%.
From a global geopolitical perspective, if we theorize from the unlikely idea that this conflict will lead to a third world war, then all pro-Zionist liberal monster-nations like Great Britain, France, Germany, the United States and, of course, Israel itself would side with Ukraine, while more traditional and sovereign anti-Zionist forces would likely stand behind Russia. Mark my words when I say that the Nordic Resistance Movement will NEVER stand on the same side as Israel or the Zionist entity that the USA represents today – whatever the issue or conflict may be!
If we look at the situation from a revolutionary point of view, it is also natural to support Russia. By challenging the USA and the Western world, one acts against the status quo – the present situation that must be destroyed in order for any true changes to take place, and for us National Socialists to be able to make real progress. The more the current ruling powers are challenged, and the harder the world economy is combated, the greater the chance for widespread disruption, which is a necessity for the Nordic revolution to become fact. Please note that I do not mean the coming changes will necessarily be better for us; however, in the dramatic situation in which we find ourselves, we must see hope in every potential radical change that arises within the global environment.❞
Problem for me is that there are many whites I do not want to make common cause with. So, if I were to descend into that feral crouch, I would not find myself amongst 'my people'. I actually like some people who aren't white too, so I'm really screwed I guess...
PROTOCOLS OF THE MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION . . . Protocol No. 7 – World-Wide Wars
❝We must be in a position to respond to every act of opposition by war with the neighbors of that country which dares to oppose us: but if these neighbors should also venture to stand collectively together against us, then we must offer resistance by a universal war.❞
“Oh how fond they are of the book of Esther, which is so beautifully attuned to their bloodthirsty, vengeful, murderous yearning and hope.” — Martin Luther
there's no such thing as white identity. or black identity. or Asian identity. Asians include Indian Brahmins and Filipino Negritos , who have in common only the label Asian. Black includes Zulus and dark-skinned Puerto Ricans, and many of the latter do not identify as "black" at all. White includes shanty-town Argentinians and Swedish royals. these labels are all absurd.
I didn't say COLORS didn't exist. i said certain IDENTITIES don't exist. i am white, as white as white people get, and i am puerto rican. so i do not identify as "white" and, in fact, every paperwork i fill in the US says "white not hispanic", which means i am not white. i live in Spain, where an entire European nation is, according to the US standard, not white, since they are evidently Hispanic (the word Hispanic COMES FROM the word Spain). identities are generated by commonality of experience, not commonality of skin color. or of being from a "region" (such as Asia, which includes part of Russia and Indonesia: speak of absurd identity constructs).
white identity in the US refers to certain white people. black identity only exists in white-majority countries where people who are considered black end up having that element (how they are identified by others) as a commonality of experience. and Asian identity simply makes no sense anywhere, not in the US nor in the UK, where it is a term more broadly used and often refers to Pakistanis and Indians. Koreans and Chinese keep the memory of the Japanese occupation too much to think of themselves as "the same thing as" the Japanese. Southeast Asians are extremely diverse, and much browner-skinned than northern Chinese, Korean and Japanese folk, with indigenous people and mixed populations. Iranians are white and Muslim, and closer to European culture than they are to "Asian" cultures (the Islamist republic being an unwanted side-product of US Cold War politicking) Eastern Russians are European even if they're technically Asian, etc.
These "identities" don't exist. just like transwomen don't exist.
Alright let's consider the worst functioning white country, the Soviet Union, is it still more functional than India at least after the Stalin period? Yes, obviously so. Is it still, despite it's insane ideology still more like America than Ghana? Yes obviously so. Asked whether I'd wish to live as a Soviet or a Ghanain, there is no question I'd choose the soviet union. Therefore, I am White, for despite all the mistakes Soviet civilization still takes humanity into space, and Ghanaian civilization (if it can be called that) does nothing at all.
But you see you are not actually concerned with objective reality, instead you are trying to gain morality points over your fellow whites by pretending there is no meaningful difference between them and blacks or browns. And so we have to run this ridiculous game, in which we pretend that the differences between Brits and Spaniards are somehow as meaningful as the differences between spaniards and Aztecs, when you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that if offered a million chances of reincarnating in an Aztec society as opposed to a british society, you'd choose the british one every time.
Many Spaniards would feel more comfortable with Mexicans (um, there are no Aztecs) than with Brits. Because of the language and commonality of culture produced by centuries of Spanish colonialism). Mexicans of similar class background (urban, middle to upper classes), because CLASS plays a very big role in commonality of experience and identity. Language, cultural similarities, and many other factors, influence the construction of identities. Similar dynamics operate in former imperial countries such as France and the UK with many of its citizens: a common language, a shared history, and commonalities of experience, are important material factors in the construction of identity.
You are white, and have a white identity. I am white, and I do not have a white identity. I am a woman, and I do not have a "woman's identity", either. This whole "identity" bullsh*t pushed by an identitarian agenda is not something that makes much sense to me. I identify as this or that or the other? I am a white Puerto Rican mom. I don't have "identities" like the pink-haired queer young adults who list their little identities one after the other, and I refuse to adopt "counter" identities to fight the stupid identity war. As a human, I have my clan, my tribe, my community, we are mammals, we are animals, we are not esoteric beings with identities that come in different colors.
Race is not culture and culture is not race. Anyone attempting to make distinctions based on origin or skin tone should be roundly and loudly censured. Anyone not making distinctions based on culture and values is ignorant and dangerous.
What is "white identity"? Do all whites have the same identity? Same shared identity? What is it? I'm Russian and definitely white! I don't think I share more of my identity with a Portuguese than with an Uzbek. You can't assume the same skin color means the same identity! Nor can you equate white with being Western.
Simple white identity, a la "we want what everyone else is allowed to have" won't work. White Hajnalis are too lacking in identarian sentiments, and victorious movements among them have to claim a specific universalist moral cause. The segregationists lost when they stuck to legal technicalities and refused to make the HBD case in order not to offend their black housekeepers. Freedom of association was simply never going to hold against "judge me by the content of my character".
Judeo-messianism has been spreading its poisonous message among us for nearly two thousand years. Democratic and communist universalisms are more recent, but they have only come to reinforce the old Jewish narrative. They are the same ideals.
The transnational, transracial, transsexual, transcultural ideals that these ideologies preach to us (beyond peoples, races, cultures) and which are the daily sustenance of our schools, in our media, in our popular culture, at our universities, and on our streets, have ended up reducing our biosymbolic identity and ethnic pride to their minimal expression.
Jewish bankers flooded Europe with Muslims and America with third-world garbage . . . Exile as punishment for those who preach sedition should be reinstated within the legal framework of the West . . .
Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are death cults originating in the Middle East and totally alien to Europe and its peoples . . . We National Socialists came to liberate Paris, we did not destroy it.
One sometimes wonders why the European left gets along so well with Muslims. Why does an often overtly anti-religious movement take the side of a fierce religiosity that seems to oppose almost everything the left has always claimed to stand for? Part of the explanation lies in the fact that Islam and Marxism have a common ideological root: Judaism.
Don Rumsfeld was right when he said, "Europe has shifted on its axis," it was the wrong side that won World War II, and it is becoming clearer every day. What has NATO done to defend Europe? Absolutely nothing . . . My enemies are not in Moscow, Damascus, Tehran, Riyadh or some ethereal Teutonic boogeyman, my enemies are in Washington, Brussels and Tel Aviv. Heil Hitler.
Lol, I hate to say that I can't help but admire your conviction, but I'm not exactly a plausible convert. Israel supported Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa when no other western nation would do so, this hardly suggests that our real enemies are in Tel Aviv, or that the source of our decay is primarily Judaic.
PROTOCOLS OF THE MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION . . . Protocol No. 7 – World-Wide Wars
❝We must be in a position to respond to every act of opposition by war with the neighbors of that country which dares to oppose us: but if these neighbors should also venture to stand collectively together against us, then we must offer resistance by a universal war.❞
PHILO: I’d like to add an important point since we seem to be at an impasse here: White identity also gives people meaning. We are a tribal species. We find meaning in groups.
CLEANTHES: That’s a not unfair point, but I would recommend getting this tribal fix from sports or from voluntary associations.
RÜZGAR: Hold on. There is a secret third thing. As an alternative to racial identitarianism and liberal individualism. Nationalism, civic or ethnic.
Cleanthes, in my view, is unable (more likely, unwilling) to recognize the reality of anti-white bias and its pervasiveness. He would very much like the liberal dream of the 90s to be real, and to be a viable solution to our problems. But it was never what it seemed, and it won't work now.
It's simply too emotionally charged for those with this view to accept that this dream is dead. I suspect a part inside really does still believe (even though they deny it vehemently) that white people are, in fact, always already suspect. I don't think they believe what they claim--that we're all humans. I think, instead, they really are still just laboring under the false construct of white guilt.
Such people will be helpful to those who want to allow our culture to continue sliding. No, it cannot be fought at the ballot box (dream of the 90s liberal again). We're past that point. But they won't see it, and ultimately, such people are most likely to turn on those of us who do see it, and to help with our further social isolation and condemnation.
I appreciate this dialogue, for me it boils down to something very simple that I think anyone can understand, if blacks, Asians, jews, muslims etc. are allowed, even encouraged, to celebrate and spread their culture, Whites should be able to do the same without being criticized and denigrated, which they are, as soon as groups of White people start to organize they are called racists and all kinds of other names, for me its as simple as that
Why is that though? Having now lived in a multicultural society for some time I know many non-white groups feel lesser than us. Obvious caveat - this is their view, not mine.
They moved here. We didn't move there. That alone tells you the direction of travel. We built something they desire. They've never built anything we want.
I have talked to Indians, West Indians and others. I get it less from East Asians, but I know the South Asians understand their own cultural practices doom them to mediocrity. The family pressures alone keep them apart. I have had fairly blunt conversations with them. The real insight is they view themselves as economic migrants, not emigrants who wish to embrace a new culture.
The incontrovertible truth is there has been a campaign put on to demonize White Christian culture starting as far as I can tell in the 50s, the reasons for this are still a question yet to be answered. If you want my opinion it is because there has been a concerted effort to subvert the will of the people in the interests of corporate hegemony over our lives, its not just the communism vs capitalism argument, although that is certainly a part. it more has to do with control to subjugate the many for the good of the few. The reality is in its natural state the way White culture is set up it is at odds with centralized control by design. This culture was developed through many iterations over the years to ultimately end up with the United States Constitution. The idea that the individual is the most imporatant part of society and through individual health and wealth the whole society prospers. This fundamental idea is at odds with the interests of people whos main purpose is to increase profits by any means. Its current iteration being stakeholder capitalism, which is a perverted form of capitalism that subverts the peoples will. I guess boiled down, it comes down to the hyper wealthy that practice stake holder capitalism, which I call the "parasite class" cannot control a free and fair White European Christian culture because by definition our culture promotes individuality, so they have put on a campaign to strangle and destroy that culture for their own gains. One only has to look at the machinations of the World Economic Forum and other NGOs to see that there is an active war against people being free to determine their own fate, and I dont mean just in America this is happening all over the world. If you are interested I would suggest you check out two new alliances forming one being The Arc Initiative and the other being Our Country Our Choice. Dont believe anything the corporate media is telling you and look with suspicion at anything the government says or does. It will get worse before it gets better, but have optimism because the people are waking up and its gone far enough that they have no way of stopping us. The people will take back control of our government and the world will be a better place for it. The time of corporate hegemony in our government is over
I agree with every word. And it has also been my view for a long time. The two countries most targeted for uncontrolled immigration are the US and the UK. The reason is as you mentioned, the basis for the US. It was built on individual sovereignty. But it was also meant to be a collection of independent states, the literal antithesis of central control.
Its origins are Britain, which has the longest history of individual rights. Magna Carta being the obvious reference point.
That spirit is in us all, especially Northern European. We are the threat. And immigration is there to sink us. Other ethnic groups are indifferent to things like the constitution, the bill of rights or Magna Carta. Some are actively hostile. Muslims do not tolerate any form of parliamentary democracy for instance.
I have nothing against different groups, but I believe the globalists have weaponized miss migration to prevent us being able to stop their plans.
Judeo-messianism has been spreading its poisonous message among us for nearly two thousand years. Democratic and communist universalisms are more recent, but they have only come to reinforce the old Jewish narrative. They are the same ideals.
The transnational, transracial, transsexual, transcultural ideals that these ideologies preach to us (beyond peoples, races, cultures) and which are the daily sustenance of our schools, in our media, in our popular culture, at our universities, and on our streets, have ended up reducing our biosymbolic identity and ethnic pride to their minimal expression.
Jewish bankers flooded Europe with Muslims and America with third-world garbage . . . Exile as punishment for those who preach sedition should be reinstated within the legal framework of the West . . .
Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are death cults originating in the Middle East and totally alien to Europe and its peoples . . . We National Socialists came to liberate Paris, we did not destroy it.
One sometimes wonders why the European left gets along so well with Muslims. Why does an often overtly anti-religious movement take the side of a fierce religiosity that seems to oppose almost everything the left has always claimed to stand for? Part of the explanation lies in the fact that Islam and Marxism have a common ideological root: Judaism.
Don Rumsfeld was right when he said, "Europe has shifted on its axis," it was the wrong side that won World War II, and it is becoming clearer every day. What has NATO done to defend Europe? Absolutely nothing . . . My enemies are not in Moscow, Damascus, Tehran, Riyadh or some ethereal Teutonic boogeyman, my enemies are in Washington, Brussels and Tel Aviv.
https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/pardonne-mon-francais-va-te-faire
Which cultural practices?
Tribalism, pressure from family to help family members, ingroup hiring preferences based on race/culture, multi-generational households, different views on gender, illiberalism etc. Basic cultural differences. Some specifically reject assimilation and hold themselves apart making harmony challenging.
❝. . . the entire establishment in the Western world is attacking Russia in unison. The propaganda machine is in full swing in an effort to make the whole world hate Putin and take Ukraine’s side in the war. The same propaganda machine that wants nothing more than you as a White person to stop having children and instead focus on your career, race-mix or become homosexual. What this establishment wants you to think is often a very good indicator of what you should absolutely not think, and by this measure, Russia appears to be the side to support 100%.
From a global geopolitical perspective, if we theorize from the unlikely idea that this conflict will lead to a third world war, then all pro-Zionist liberal monster-nations like Great Britain, France, Germany, the United States and, of course, Israel itself would side with Ukraine, while more traditional and sovereign anti-Zionist forces would likely stand behind Russia. Mark my words when I say that the Nordic Resistance Movement will NEVER stand on the same side as Israel or the Zionist entity that the USA represents today – whatever the issue or conflict may be!
If we look at the situation from a revolutionary point of view, it is also natural to support Russia. By challenging the USA and the Western world, one acts against the status quo – the present situation that must be destroyed in order for any true changes to take place, and for us National Socialists to be able to make real progress. The more the current ruling powers are challenged, and the harder the world economy is combated, the greater the chance for widespread disruption, which is a necessity for the Nordic revolution to become fact. Please note that I do not mean the coming changes will necessarily be better for us; however, in the dramatic situation in which we find ourselves, we must see hope in every potential radical change that arises within the global environment.❞
https://nordicresistancemovement.org/which-side-are-we-on-in-the-ukraine-war/
Thanks for another 'conversation' between what I call a Utopist and a Realist. Could you guess which one I side with?
"CLEANTHES: I agree with you that races are slightly different from each other and that they probably create slightly different cultures."
The adverb 'slightly' tells of one with no basis in reality.
"CLEANTHES: Yes, with some minor qualifications, I think that’s a fair assessment. Especially among educated elites in the media and at universities."
Sadly, this is an attempt to conflate education with a college degree. Indoctrination would be an excellent substitute for education, at least in most non-STEM degrees.
Put the yellow man on an island and you get Japan.
Put the white man on an island, and you get Great Britain.
Put the black man on an Island and you get Madagascar.
Madagascar is actually more Asian than black-african!
Well done. Although, I'd abandon the demureness and embrace an assertive tone instead. After all, truth is on your side. Just because some negative consequences are likely to arise, doesn’t mean you're directly responsible. Accepting tradeoffs as embedded in reality is the mature and sensible position. Otherwise, as liberalism continues its wake of destruction, you’re left with nothing more than a defeatist/fatalistic response such as:
“Oh well, nothing can be done. The alternatives are probably worse. Alas, the consequences are what they are. At least my intentions are good!”
Now ask yourself, “But, for how long can I hold to this position?
NATO – an anti-white and anti-family institution . . .
After the apocalypse of 1945, a number of global organizations have been formed with the aim of maintaining and expanding totalitarian liberalism. One of the earliest organizations formed for this purpose was the war alliance "North Atlantic Treaty Organization", or NATO, which can be seen as the military wing of globalism.
In addition to ensuring that Washington always has international support for its military campaigns, NATO as an institution is explicitly anti-white and explicitly dedicated to "racial justice" for racial aliens living in white countries. As early as 1999, NATO authored reports blaming nationalists for a number of modern problems and warning against the influence of nationalism.
In 2023, the war alliance held a summit at its headquarters in Brussels on race where the alliance's leaders pledged to fight "homogeneous attitudes" and to use NATO's "collective intelligence" for the purpose.
In fact, NATO is so dedicated to its anti-white agenda that it openly advocates that institutions must be reshaped to be "inclusive," in other words, restructured to be more anti-white, and consist of fewer white employees and executives.
https://nordfront.se/nato-en-antivit-och-familjefientlig-institution
I think a white (or ethnic) identity is natural and healthy. The only caution imo is to not dehumanise/be unreasonable about the out groups (including individuals within them). Also a society is imo only as impressive as its culture/people (e.g. virtues, competencies, etc).
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The Jewish doctrine of Marxism . . .
1. . . rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature . . .
2. . . denies personal worth . . .
3. . . contests the significance of folk and race . . .
4. . . withdraws from mankind premise for its existence and culture.
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“The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength with the mass of numbers and their dead weight. Thus, it denies personal worth, contests the significance of folk and race, and thereby withdraws from mankind premise for its existence and culture.” — Mein Kampf
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The fact that a tag like "White Identity" even exists gives the measure of how completely (and poisonously) Western civilisation's enemies (and I mean enemies WITHIN not external enemies) have gained control of the language of debate. Even as conservatives fight back against these enemies, they are coralled into adopting a language (and frame of reference) foisted on them by the hyper-progressive Left. Think of all the bogus 'x-ism and 'x-phobia words that have now unquestioningly been adopted in conservative discourse....and weep for our civilisation. End of rant. https://grahamcunningham.substack.com/p/are-we-making-progress
Jewish Loot and Neglected Fruit: How the Mainstream Right Serves Jews and Betrays Whites . . .
❝“Low-hanging fruit!” cry deluded right-wingers all over the West. “Why doesn’t my favored party on the mainstream right pluck that fruit and defeat the left?” Well, they’ve been crying that for decades and will still be crying it when the left pack them off to a slave-labor camp or an organic gas-chamber. Some of those right-wingers are too stupid to see the truth; some are too frightened to admit it. Their favored party on the mainstream right doesn’t pluck the low-hanging fruit because it doesn’t want to defeat the left. And it doesn’t want to defeat the left because it is the left. That is, it’s financed and controlled by Jews who support the left and its anti-White, anti-Christian, anti-Western agenda.❞
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2022/03/25/jewish-loot-and-neglected-fruit-how-the-mainstream-right-serves-jews-and-betrays-whites/
Why do you refer to it as white identity, rather than European identity? White seems like a superficial label based on skin colour, whereas European refers to the people who emerged in Europe and who gave the world modern civilisation.
"White civilization is the civilization that white people created, namely, Western Civilization. Of course, Western Civilization is not exclusively white. But it is still majority white, and it was once overwhelmingly white. Progressives perceive this, which is why they often rail against the “whiteness” of the West. They abominate it precisely because it is too white."
Western Civ is a priceless gem.
The West is not white. It is not black. It is not Asian. It is open to everybody. It is a set of ideas. And those should be cherished and protected from the parochial notion that they are the property of one race or people.
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Wrong, Cleanthes. The West is white. The non-white bit has been imported. Some will assist in the maintenance and even the evolution of our European cultures. Most will not. We already see this. Significant numbers will need to be carried by the rest. We also see this phenomenon too.
They, the non-whites, all refer to us as Westerners. And by that they mean white people. The Chinese and Japanese, the Africans, the Arabs, the Indians. It is only us who hesitate. They have no qualms.
If we do not assert ourselves we allow the liberals to convince everyone of the magic dirt theory. That if someone is born in the US or the UK it makes them the same as our ancestors. If that is the case then why don't Indians think of Rudyard Kipling as being Indian? He was born in Bombay and spoke Punjabi like a native. Why would Saudis not consider a child of white parents born in one of their hospitals a Saudi or an Arab? Only Western liberals think like this. And it is precisely this group who are destroying us.
All I'd add is the usual caveats. No person or group is inferior, just different.
It is probably worth reminding us no multi-ethnic, multicultural society has ever survived. This is life on hard mode. A cosmic justice campaign about 90 percent of the world's population views as suicide.
“ All I'd add is the usual caveats. No person or group is inferior, just different.”
Depends on your definition of inferior.
Races do exist and those races exist “precisely” because of genetic *differences*. Talking about differences among people, as in individuals, is often problematic because individuals—as individuals—vary among themselves and therefore “others”. For example, a typical Japanese (typical as in taken as a group) is shorter than a typical American, but you’d have no problem walking the streets of Tokyo and finding a Japanese person taller than yourself I’d wager.
However, we as a society do not usually make public policy based upon any particular individual, but upon groups and averages of individuals classified as a group. We find in our great multicultural experiment called the American Idea, that the races/minorities we’ve encouraged to enter are by no means similar in any number of ways—and indeed, one may compare groups (races) along any number of these ways.
One obvious difference is intelligence, but there are innate behavioral proclivities as well. In a 1st world, technological society many of these differences become important to the economic success of the particular minority group. Groups higher in that ability disposed to success, will prosper over the other groups.
So is one group “inferior” to another? Well, yes, obviously. One of Japanese ancestry is inferior to most other races in producing NBA sportsball players. However, Asian ancestry seems to have a definite positive effect on educational attainment and future economic success in this country—if the Census data is correct.
Being racist is quite a bit different than being a “race realist”. Whites need not be afraid of showing racial solidarity. If you let your opponents defined the terminology of the argument, then you will lose every time.
Quite agree. But as you are aware race realism is classified as racism, despite all those West African sprinters and athletes we reward handsomely. Jared Taylor is banned from polite society precisely because of this.
I am of the view whites are just joining everyone else in the world who quite naturally gravitate towards their own.
❝. . . the entire establishment in the Western world is attacking Russia in unison. The propaganda machine is in full swing in an effort to make the whole world hate Putin and take Ukraine’s side in the war. The same propaganda machine that wants nothing more than you as a White person to stop having children and instead focus on your career, race-mix or become homosexual. What this establishment wants you to think is often a very good indicator of what you should absolutely not think, and by this measure, Russia appears to be the side to support 100%.
From a global geopolitical perspective, if we theorize from the unlikely idea that this conflict will lead to a third world war, then all pro-Zionist liberal monster-nations like Great Britain, France, Germany, the United States and, of course, Israel itself would side with Ukraine, while more traditional and sovereign anti-Zionist forces would likely stand behind Russia. Mark my words when I say that the Nordic Resistance Movement will NEVER stand on the same side as Israel or the Zionist entity that the USA represents today – whatever the issue or conflict may be!
If we look at the situation from a revolutionary point of view, it is also natural to support Russia. By challenging the USA and the Western world, one acts against the status quo – the present situation that must be destroyed in order for any true changes to take place, and for us National Socialists to be able to make real progress. The more the current ruling powers are challenged, and the harder the world economy is combated, the greater the chance for widespread disruption, which is a necessity for the Nordic revolution to become fact. Please note that I do not mean the coming changes will necessarily be better for us; however, in the dramatic situation in which we find ourselves, we must see hope in every potential radical change that arises within the global environment.❞
https://nordicresistancemovement.org/which-side-are-we-on-in-the-ukraine-war/
Whites should embrace whiteness the way Israelis embrace Jewishness.
You don't see Jews taking shit over Israel the way Whites did over BLM.
Problem for me is that there are many whites I do not want to make common cause with. So, if I were to descend into that feral crouch, I would not find myself amongst 'my people'. I actually like some people who aren't white too, so I'm really screwed I guess...
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PROTOCOLS OF THE MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION . . . Protocol No. 7 – World-Wide Wars
❝We must be in a position to respond to every act of opposition by war with the neighbors of that country which dares to oppose us: but if these neighbors should also venture to stand collectively together against us, then we must offer resistance by a universal war.❞
https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/protocol-no-7-world-wide-wars
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“Oh how fond they are of the book of Esther, which is so beautifully attuned to their bloodthirsty, vengeful, murderous yearning and hope.” — Martin Luther
https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/oh-how-fond-they-are-of-the-book
there's no such thing as white identity. or black identity. or Asian identity. Asians include Indian Brahmins and Filipino Negritos , who have in common only the label Asian. Black includes Zulus and dark-skinned Puerto Ricans, and many of the latter do not identify as "black" at all. White includes shanty-town Argentinians and Swedish royals. these labels are all absurd.
Some colours called yellow look greenish and some look orangish, therefore there is no such thing as yellow.
I didn't say COLORS didn't exist. i said certain IDENTITIES don't exist. i am white, as white as white people get, and i am puerto rican. so i do not identify as "white" and, in fact, every paperwork i fill in the US says "white not hispanic", which means i am not white. i live in Spain, where an entire European nation is, according to the US standard, not white, since they are evidently Hispanic (the word Hispanic COMES FROM the word Spain). identities are generated by commonality of experience, not commonality of skin color. or of being from a "region" (such as Asia, which includes part of Russia and Indonesia: speak of absurd identity constructs).
white identity in the US refers to certain white people. black identity only exists in white-majority countries where people who are considered black end up having that element (how they are identified by others) as a commonality of experience. and Asian identity simply makes no sense anywhere, not in the US nor in the UK, where it is a term more broadly used and often refers to Pakistanis and Indians. Koreans and Chinese keep the memory of the Japanese occupation too much to think of themselves as "the same thing as" the Japanese. Southeast Asians are extremely diverse, and much browner-skinned than northern Chinese, Korean and Japanese folk, with indigenous people and mixed populations. Iranians are white and Muslim, and closer to European culture than they are to "Asian" cultures (the Islamist republic being an unwanted side-product of US Cold War politicking) Eastern Russians are European even if they're technically Asian, etc.
These "identities" don't exist. just like transwomen don't exist.
Alright let's consider the worst functioning white country, the Soviet Union, is it still more functional than India at least after the Stalin period? Yes, obviously so. Is it still, despite it's insane ideology still more like America than Ghana? Yes obviously so. Asked whether I'd wish to live as a Soviet or a Ghanain, there is no question I'd choose the soviet union. Therefore, I am White, for despite all the mistakes Soviet civilization still takes humanity into space, and Ghanaian civilization (if it can be called that) does nothing at all.
But you see you are not actually concerned with objective reality, instead you are trying to gain morality points over your fellow whites by pretending there is no meaningful difference between them and blacks or browns. And so we have to run this ridiculous game, in which we pretend that the differences between Brits and Spaniards are somehow as meaningful as the differences between spaniards and Aztecs, when you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that if offered a million chances of reincarnating in an Aztec society as opposed to a british society, you'd choose the british one every time.
Many Spaniards would feel more comfortable with Mexicans (um, there are no Aztecs) than with Brits. Because of the language and commonality of culture produced by centuries of Spanish colonialism). Mexicans of similar class background (urban, middle to upper classes), because CLASS plays a very big role in commonality of experience and identity. Language, cultural similarities, and many other factors, influence the construction of identities. Similar dynamics operate in former imperial countries such as France and the UK with many of its citizens: a common language, a shared history, and commonalities of experience, are important material factors in the construction of identity.
You are white, and have a white identity. I am white, and I do not have a white identity. I am a woman, and I do not have a "woman's identity", either. This whole "identity" bullsh*t pushed by an identitarian agenda is not something that makes much sense to me. I identify as this or that or the other? I am a white Puerto Rican mom. I don't have "identities" like the pink-haired queer young adults who list their little identities one after the other, and I refuse to adopt "counter" identities to fight the stupid identity war. As a human, I have my clan, my tribe, my community, we are mammals, we are animals, we are not esoteric beings with identities that come in different colors.
Put the yellow man on an island and you get Japan.
Put the white man on an island, and you get Great Britain.
Put the black man on an Island and you get Madagascar.
Race is not culture and culture is not race. Anyone attempting to make distinctions based on origin or skin tone should be roundly and loudly censured. Anyone not making distinctions based on culture and values is ignorant and dangerous.
Fuck you and your Jewish god.
What is "white identity"? Do all whites have the same identity? Same shared identity? What is it? I'm Russian and definitely white! I don't think I share more of my identity with a Portuguese than with an Uzbek. You can't assume the same skin color means the same identity! Nor can you equate white with being Western.
Blacks are of poor character
Simple white identity, a la "we want what everyone else is allowed to have" won't work. White Hajnalis are too lacking in identarian sentiments, and victorious movements among them have to claim a specific universalist moral cause. The segregationists lost when they stuck to legal technicalities and refused to make the HBD case in order not to offend their black housekeepers. Freedom of association was simply never going to hold against "judge me by the content of my character".
I propose the following rejoinder, "yes, and blacks are of poor character!" Specifically, 80% of blacks (including 64% of Black Republicans!) support stealing my wealth to pay reparations for slavery. https://www.pewresearch.org/race-ethnicity/2022/08/30/black-americans-views-on-reparations-for-slavery/.
Judeo-messianism has been spreading its poisonous message among us for nearly two thousand years. Democratic and communist universalisms are more recent, but they have only come to reinforce the old Jewish narrative. They are the same ideals.
The transnational, transracial, transsexual, transcultural ideals that these ideologies preach to us (beyond peoples, races, cultures) and which are the daily sustenance of our schools, in our media, in our popular culture, at our universities, and on our streets, have ended up reducing our biosymbolic identity and ethnic pride to their minimal expression.
Jewish bankers flooded Europe with Muslims and America with third-world garbage . . . Exile as punishment for those who preach sedition should be reinstated within the legal framework of the West . . .
Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are death cults originating in the Middle East and totally alien to Europe and its peoples . . . We National Socialists came to liberate Paris, we did not destroy it.
One sometimes wonders why the European left gets along so well with Muslims. Why does an often overtly anti-religious movement take the side of a fierce religiosity that seems to oppose almost everything the left has always claimed to stand for? Part of the explanation lies in the fact that Islam and Marxism have a common ideological root: Judaism.
Don Rumsfeld was right when he said, "Europe has shifted on its axis," it was the wrong side that won World War II, and it is becoming clearer every day. What has NATO done to defend Europe? Absolutely nothing . . . My enemies are not in Moscow, Damascus, Tehran, Riyadh or some ethereal Teutonic boogeyman, my enemies are in Washington, Brussels and Tel Aviv. Heil Hitler.
https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/pardonne-mon-francais-va-te-faire
Lol, I hate to say that I can't help but admire your conviction, but I'm not exactly a plausible convert. Israel supported Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa when no other western nation would do so, this hardly suggests that our real enemies are in Tel Aviv, or that the source of our decay is primarily Judaic.
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PROTOCOLS OF THE MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION . . . Protocol No. 7 – World-Wide Wars
❝We must be in a position to respond to every act of opposition by war with the neighbors of that country which dares to oppose us: but if these neighbors should also venture to stand collectively together against us, then we must offer resistance by a universal war.❞
https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/protocol-no-7-world-wide-wars
PHILO: I’d like to add an important point since we seem to be at an impasse here: White identity also gives people meaning. We are a tribal species. We find meaning in groups.
CLEANTHES: That’s a not unfair point, but I would recommend getting this tribal fix from sports or from voluntary associations.
RÜZGAR: Hold on. There is a secret third thing. As an alternative to racial identitarianism and liberal individualism. Nationalism, civic or ethnic.
Cleanthes, in my view, is unable (more likely, unwilling) to recognize the reality of anti-white bias and its pervasiveness. He would very much like the liberal dream of the 90s to be real, and to be a viable solution to our problems. But it was never what it seemed, and it won't work now.
It's simply too emotionally charged for those with this view to accept that this dream is dead. I suspect a part inside really does still believe (even though they deny it vehemently) that white people are, in fact, always already suspect. I don't think they believe what they claim--that we're all humans. I think, instead, they really are still just laboring under the false construct of white guilt.
Such people will be helpful to those who want to allow our culture to continue sliding. No, it cannot be fought at the ballot box (dream of the 90s liberal again). We're past that point. But they won't see it, and ultimately, such people are most likely to turn on those of us who do see it, and to help with our further social isolation and condemnation.