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Spencer's avatar

“Murder is a reasonably good proxy for these things in the short-run because all crime and disorder tends to go together.”

That seems likely for earlier eras but I wonder how much property crime, rape, etc. have declined due to cameras being ubiquitous. Significantly I would bet.

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You make some interesting observations. Some of this is definitely true- for example, the US does not have an unusually high rate of non-violent crime, compared to, say, Europe or the rest of the Anglosphere. It really *is* more violent, though, and this isn't just down to higher firearm availability; the US has more violent offences across the board.

But your key point is almost totally devoid of evidence; you don't actually have any good evidence that crime is rising. All statistics show that it has been broadly falling (with a few blips, of course, both for certain kinds of crime and in certain short periods) since the early-mid 90s, and this is not just murder rates. The only hard evidence in this article is the lethality rates graph, but that's obviously heavily confounded by reporting and categorisation; how do we know that an "aggravated assault" is the same thing in 1970 as now?

I personally do not believe that crime rates, either in general, or specifically violent, are many times higher today than they were in the early 20th century.

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