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Razib Khan's avatar

i've told you guys this, the outbreeding issues are not genetic (though they can be sociological). people have looked for several decades (from the late henry harpending to pontus skoglund) at evidence of purification of outgroup alleles like you see with neanderthals in modern human backgrounds by comparing african hunter-gatherers to outgroups (eg san bushmen who have eurasian DNA from nilotic and afrikaner). there is no evidence of this.

also, i figured the last decade of ancient DNA would clue you guys in on this; outbreeding is how most modern lineages emerged. the pairwise Fst btwn WHG and EFF is 0.10, same value as btwn han chinese and n europeans.

a word of constructive criticism: aporia should focus on open controversies and take my judgement on things that i know about. i've been in this game longer than most of you :)

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Peter Frost's avatar

Razib,

The negative effects of outbreeding should disappear through purifying selection after several generations. Consequently, remote Neandertal admixture isn't an issue. Nor is Eurasian DNA in Khoisan populations. Nor is East Asian admixture in Central Asia. That's why we need to examine first-generation effects, particularly effects on fertility. There may be other "canaries in the coal mine" but I'm not aware of any.

Yes, a lot of people have mused on this issue, like Ernst Mayr. But there have been very few controlled studies. In fact, there have been only two: the Icelandic one and the Danish one. I strongly suspect that the rise of male infertility is due to the increase in outbreeding, but that possible cause has to be disentangled from the possible cause of environmental estrogens. In my humble opinion, the outbreeding explanation is a better match for the epidemiology, but I could be wrong. This is an ongoing debate, and, incidentally, I'm not the academic who began it.

I realize this is a sensitive issue, and in some cases a deeply personal one. Of course. But it's not my role to tell people what they want to hear. Charles Darwin married his first cousin, yet that didn't stop him from investigating the deleterious effects of inbreeding.

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