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Paul's avatar

I don't disagree with the premise, but it's startling the degree to which this could only be written right now.

Just a short time ago, the right was the ideology of sexual repression, censorship, and law and order; the left was about free love, free expression, and letting groups settle their differences without state interference (gang wars...).

That this framework is so transient - or rather, so obviously created as a cudgel or justification for this political moment, rather than reflective of more durable characteristics of left vs right - makes me question its utility, and the authors' dedication to it outside of the present circumstances.

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Mathew Gonzalez's avatar

I don’t disagree with the facts you’ve stated, but it does seem that you’re pulling a familiar tactic for the unsupported arguments. While stating that the following are generalizations and there are myriad exclusions, you’re not listing any of them. Someone reading could read this and say “yes… but the exceptions would be…” but the more likely case is a reader would go through it and come out thinking your proposed ideas without equivocation or any hint of exceptions/exclusions.

Most of the examples listed for Leftist thinking are offered with implicit arguments, which you yourself have covered on your YouTube channel as being a fallacious way to argue, or worse an attempt to sway thinking in hopes of garnering support for an otherwise unsavory cause. Additionally, while you’re addressing how domestication can be ranked on a scale of left/right, you provide no examples of Rightist thinking.

While I’m not certain of studies which dictate it, as someone who has moved from a major city (NYC) to a smaller “city” with a population of only 80k, i can say that the population diversity drastically drops off. Coastal cities provide easier ports of immigration, and overall sentiment to newcomers in middle America is (anecdotally, i should add) much lower. Even as someone who is white-passing, the second i am heard speaking Spanish people look to me as if I’ve been deceptive. Casual racism and general dislike of other cultures is easier to catch when people believe “you aren’t one of them”, and I’ve caught this quite often.

I don’t dispute the fact that cities promote an inter-group tolerance and collectivist thinking, though (as an example of exclusion) this may also be tied to the consistent exposure to others plights. People are condensed into smaller spaces, further dependent on group purchasing of goods (room mates and combined family living), and the increasing cost of housing in major city areas could be argued to also lead to this dependency on one another. There is also a prevalence of Religion as a means of community grouping, rather than labor/work outside of major cities, which can also play a role.

While inter group tolerance would lead to support for LGTBQ+ rights, the premise of chimps (read simps) masturbating in isolation was pretty funny, as it leaves the entire incel community and the growth of online communities vs IRL social communication. People are less sexually active now than they have ever been, yet pornography is more accessible now than it has ever been. I don’t have studies to confirm this, but I’m sure i could find in quick searches (as could anyone). A lack of social skill could be arguably attributed to the left, but only insomuch as hierarchical and primitive male mating patterns could be attributed to Red-pill communities being more aligned with the right. The amount of young males searching for a way to “not be wrong” is terrifying, and i think that is a major failing of society overall (both in left and right providing no valid outlets for males to adapt in healthy and confident ways).

To say the left supported masks because they are in line with domesticated thinking and being more docile would be akin to saying the right participated in January 6th because they’re aggressive and prone to rage. While on some level you might be right, there is far more nuance and context to cover than a blanket statement like this. To be clear, i disagree that the left supported it for demotivated reasons (more likely that it’s due to prevalence of effect on lower socio-economic status demographics, and the group tolerance mentioned earlier), and i also don’t agree that the right was involved in Jan6th due to aggression or rage susceptibility (just needed an example of a poor blanket argument). If anything, Jan6th and the right are aligned insomuch as the Right requires a strong male figure, and is conditioned to individualism as well as a fetishization of Coups. This doesn’t excuse it or mean that Jan. 6th wasn’t an attempted Coup, mind you.

Overall, i would argue that major cities lead to a more group-minded, collectivist, and redistributive thinking. The difficulty for me with your argument as posed is that this seems to be proposed as a domestication/indoctrination of the human species to become mouth-breathing Pugs, where once we were wolves… this isn’t the case. Even wolves are family oriented creatures and the premise of the Alpha wolf was a myth that the originally study author has long attempted to disprove upon further evidence, as said wolves were examined in captivity and exhibited abnormal behaviors.

My major disagreement with the article Is the tone of LGBTQ+ support, feminist support, collectivist thinking, and redistributive thinking being something that is not beneficial to society at large. There should be no taxation without representation, there should not be an alienation of peoples but rather an expansion of them. I fully agree that there are issues with male testosterone and a solution needs to be found, but this can sooner be remedied by finding healthy ways to restrict access to pornography and better socialize young men from an early age without attempting to denigrate them for past issues with behavior they weren’t even alive for. Chauvinist-revivalists like Andrew Tate show only too well that males are looking for an outlet to find confidence, and we’re failing them.

Again, purely anecdotal evidence on my part, but the exclusions as you have admitted they exist in your argued points deserve to be highlighted if they are to be appropriately considered. I don’t see how that would differ from the generalizations made prior to, or in conjunction with a statement of facts involving bonobos and chimps here, which felt more an attempt to “Jordan Peterson” a connection where one doesn’t exist, while explaining something that might be true under a different context.

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